Should we have a hardcore map refresh come 1.7? [Votes: Yes]

[TheWizardOfGore]

A 1.7 world sounds good but only if it's a separate world with a separate inventory like the old map and not a complete reset of the current one. Otherwise that's thousands of hours gone to waste.

[sorifiend]

Just want to jump in and say a few things.

1) I am happy to create a new world for 1.7 (Separate inventory of course)
2) The current world will still be available, just head through the portal in spawn (Like the current old world).
3) There are two good options for the end world and dragon:

A) Reset the dragon and crystals only with this plugin: Link
B) Reset the whole end world (This is better, because the world wont turn into a total mess. You can still mine end blocks after killing the dragon): Link

Would there be a 'safe town' at the new 1.7? I would suggest a copy of the arena (or similar) with maybe some sort of capture the flag facility too?

I have not spoken to Antea and Obi, but I don't think we have anything planned yet (Arena is possible).
The only safe zones at this stage would still be the spawn (and portals/outposts when/if they are added later).

- if you want to level the playing field... remove enderchests or put a spatial limit on exploration...

We could do this a few ways, but here is an idea for now:

1) Set an explore limit between 200-500k, heavily flood the server with anti-cheat plugins (Mostly to stop X-Ray, base finders and ore finders), and then also set a world reset schedule for every 6-8months so the world doesn't get to packed.
2) Same as 1, but set more rules about grief (Mostly around TnT, and total destruction)
3) Same as 1, but allow players to make a very small protected area (Max of 4x4x4?)

[TallTimbers]

~The end: If we choose Sori's proposed option B (world reset on regular basis) that would fully negate enderman farms and I think people would invest more time in finding close together spawners in the overworld to make multi-farms for exp, also making enchanting and repairing more valuable.

~Explore limit: would that be 100k x 100k (from x0;z0 to x100k;z100k) or would it go from -100k to +100k (200x 200)?

~"Leveling the playing feild":

[Reveal] Spoiler:

- the end has lost a lot of it's requirement now that there's no above nether travel - people dont use it to collect pearls now so i'm not fussed what happens with it. But I am sceptical that having a respawning dragon. Sure it would be fun for a week or two - people will kill it a few times then get bored of doing the same thing over and over... at least with a dragon that dies the world becomes a usable world rather than a permanent battle dome that nobody uses because they've already killed the dragon 5 times

.

~ above nether travel is still possible i have no idea why everyone has it in their heads that it is no longer.
~The end (currently) to my knowledge is the place to be for exp farms.
~ from the information gathered or released on wiki it seems that this world reset dilemma is based around the probability of the dragons egg gaining use in game. A third proposition is to make it a prize for some sort of event(again pressuring our staff just an idea anyway~)

[Reveal] Spoiler:

- re: having ender chests at spawn... that came about because long term players had a monopoly on special resources simply through time spent playing... making them invincible... it levelled the field for new players by allowing them some fallback... as did other resources at spawn. it also gave new players a leg up in surviving and not storming off angry after being killed by pop or dmac on their first day and losing everything. my primary motive is getting more people playing regularly and cutting down rage quits - this doesnt happen when people just keep dying because the same few hardcore superstars are dominating. other servers have dead hardcore maps for this reason and when I first started it was a similar problem here

~Ender chest is a great way of protecting your stuff i'd be annoyed if it wasn't available for use.(personal feelings) after been raided it was great to be able to move and quickly get back up on my feet with stores in the E-chest.
~D-Mac must die (for the lols)

[Reveal] Spoiler:

- if you want to level the playing field... remove enderchests or put a spatial limit on exploration... of course the majority of regulars on hc arent there to raid so this would go against their reason for playing - they are there to build in the more relaxed environment that has grown with hc, as well as breaking and fighting... so this has to balance with their requirements.

All that aside... a new map is probably warranted with 1.7 simply for the number of biome changes..

.

~my opinion on E-chests as noted above.
~I support any exploration limit if it stands above 10k squared
~I am a neutral player on HC but may consider joining a faction if a new world is put in.
~I joined HC to get away from the kids who like to play in the sand pit and make chat rather hard to stand from time to time.

[sorifiend]

Fun fact, the current Hardcore world is 506 days old, and uses 41GB of HDD (52.7GB if we include the nether)
That is double the size of the Tasman world on the main server (385 days old)

[Drugmonkey666]

Just wanna say that id probably play more if we had a new world, also refreshing the end is a good idea.

[SlasherHands]

I'm thinking about the size limit of the new map.. I think maybe it should be more than 100k in negative and minus.. Maybe around 250k MAX each way? Not too huge that you will never find someone but not too small either? What do you think is an acceptable limit?
Or do people feel that having NO limit is better?

[TallTimbers]

negative and minus..

._.

[SlasherHands]

negative and minus..

._.

As in, -250k x/z to 250k x/z..

[TallTimbers]

Ahh so negative and positive? That would give us a 500k square area.

[SlasherHands]

Ahh so negative and positive? That would give us a 500k square area.

Yeah that's what I mean. Or is 500k too much?